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Who Could Have Foreseen How Much Misery…?

By / November 28, 2022 / Leave a Comment

Not just misery but who could have foreseen how much misery, corruption, scandal, blasphemy, ingratitude, and wickedness would result from Luther’s movement? The era of Reformations was chaotic on all sides but did Martin Luther really “bemoan the religious indifference wrought by the movement he began” with these words? Here is an article that discusses proto-Protestants and that makes this claim. The claim finds support in a supposed quote from Luther himself. The end of the article, where this appears, is seen in this screenshot:

False Martin Luther quote as it appears on catholic.com. Who could have foreseen how much misery?
False Martin Luther quote as it appears on catholic.com[1]Catholic Answers. “The Protestants Who Came Before the Protestants.” Steve Weidenkopf, Catholic Answers, 26 Aug. 2022. Web. 27 Nov. 2022.
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↑1Catholic Answers. “The Protestants Who Came Before the Protestants.” Steve Weidenkopf, Catholic Answers, 26 Aug. 2022. Web. 27 Nov. 2022.

Pope Gelasius I: substance and nature of consecrated elements

By / August 6, 2022 / 1 Comment

“The sacrament of the body and blood of Christ, which we receive, is a divine thing, because by it we are made partakers of the divine-nature. Yet the substance or nature of the bread and wine does not cease. And assuredly the image and the similitude of the body and blood of Christ are celebrated in the performance of the mysteries.”

Pope Gelasius I, ~496 AD

I’ve come across a few mentions of this quote concerning the nature and substance of sacramental elements (bread and wine). The best source I can find is here. It’s in Philip Schaff’s 1884 edition of “History of the Christian Church” and he cites the following:

De duabus naturis in Christo Adv. Eutychen et Nestorium (in the Bibl. Max. Patrum, tom. viii. p. 703) … “et tamen esse non desinit substantia vel natura panis et vini. Et certe imago et similitudo corporis et sanguinis Christi in actione mysteriorum celebrantur.” Many Roman divines, through dogmatic prejudice, doubt the genuineness of this epistle. Comp. the Bibl. Max. tom. viii. pp. 699-700.

If anyone knows how to track down this reference online, I would greatly appreciate it. Anything closer to the original source would be even better.

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